Battling with Business

Episode 109 - Just stop trying to be better

Exploring Team Dynamics, DEI Backlash, and Change Management
In this episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth explore the complexities of teamwork, leadership, and organisational change. Despite recording over 100 episodes, they acknowledge that the secret to building successful teams and businesses remains elusive. Their discussion is sparked by recent pushback against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, both in the US and the UK, as well as the broader challenges of implementing change in polarised environments.
Overcoming Resistance to Change & DEI Initiatives
Chris discusses the difficulties of introducing change, using Scrum in software development as an example. He highlights how polarisation, oversimplification, and bad actors can derail progress. The duo examine the backlash against DEI efforts, emphasising the importance of strong leadership in navigating sensitive discussions on inclusivity and workplace diversity.
Leadership, Politics & the Overton Window
The episode delves into how political division and populism influence decision-making, as well as the shifting Overton Window—how public discourse shapes societal norms. Chris argues that true leadership requires a moral compass, ethical decision-making, and a commitment to unity over division.
Managing Change Without Losing Progress
Key themes include how to drive meaningful change while avoiding unintended consequences. From immigration policy to NHS funding, Chris and Gareth explore how shifting conversations can alter public perception and decision-making. They stress the need for clear communication, adaptability, and short feedback loops to ensure sustainable progress.
Key Takeaways:
✔️ How polarisation affects team dynamics and organisational change✔️ Why DEI backlash exists and how leaders can navigate it✔️ The role of the Overton Window in shaping societal debates✔️ Strategies for managing change while maintaining progress
Tune in for an insightful discussion on leadership, strategy, and driving positive change in a complex world. 🎙️

Episode 108 - Influencers#18 - Amelia Earhart

In this influencers episode, Chris and Gareth explore the life, legacy, and strategic impact of Amelia Earhart, examining how her pioneering achievements resonate in today’s world of influence and leadership. They analyse Earhart as an early influencer, discussing how her aviation feats, media presence, and personal brand shaped perceptions of women in leadership and adventure.
Drawing parallels to modern influencers, they explore whether today’s influential figures take a tactical or strategic approach in shaping public opinion and driving change. They debate whether Earhart’s legacy was driven by personal ambition or a broader mission to challenge gender norms, comparing her to modern figures who navigate branding, media attention, and social movements.
The discussion broadens to the challenges of influence in modern society, including navigating political correctness, freedom of speech, and the balance between authenticity and public expectations. Chris and Gareth also touch on the broader impact of diversity initiatives, questioning how businesses and leaders can integrate inclusion effectively without compromising organisational objectives.
Looking ahead, they plan to continue exploring the intersection of influence, leadership, and historical figures, providing fresh perspectives on what it means to shape industries and drive meaningful change.

Episode 107 - Crisis Management part 2 - Dealing with a Crisis in the moment

In this episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth delve into the fundamentals of crisis management for the second time, highlighting the importance of preparation, adaptability, and strategic leadership in uncertain environments. Drawing on military and business perspectives, they discuss how organisations can build resilience, improve decision-making under pressure, and turn crises into opportunities for growth.
The discussion expands to the emerging Chinese AI model, Deep Seek, and its potential impact on major US tech firms like Nvidia. Chris and Gareth analyse how the model’s lower cost and processing power requirements could challenge Nvidia’s dominance and reshape the AI landscape. They also explore Nvidia’s strategic response, including its ecosystem advantages, hardware innovation, and pricing strategies.
The episode also examines branding during crises, stressing the risks of overreaction, the necessity of transparent communication, and the balance between short-term survival and long-term reputation. 

Episode 106 - Crisis Management Part 1 - Preparing for the Unknown

Crisis Management and Navigating Rapid Change: Leadership Lessons for Thriving in Uncertainty
In this insightful episode of Battling with Business, hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the essential topic of crisis management, sharing their vast experience from both military operations and business leadership. They examine the concept of the "2.4 moment"—a pivotal military term describing sudden, significant changes that render established plans and procedures obsolete.
Throughout the episode, Chris and Gareth explore three distinct types of change:
Anticipated changes with a plan
Unplanned changes that still allow for resourceful adaptation
Rapid, unexpected changes that disrupt decision-making cycles
By drawing on real-world examples and offering valuable insights, they provide listeners with practical strategies for recognizing, navigating, and managing crises, whether in a business, military, or personal context.
The discussion culminates with a powerful example from Admiral Bill McRaven’s mission to capture Osama bin Laden, illustrating how meticulous preparation and adaptability can turn chaos into a successful mission.
Whether you're a business leader, manager, or simply someone facing change in everyday life, this episode offers essential lessons on resilience, quick decision-making, and the importance of thriving in unpredictable environments. Tune in for expert insights into overcoming crises and staying effective in times of uncertainty.

Episode 105 How to say no and when to say no more

 
How to Say No and When to Say No More: Leadership Lessons from Military History
In this powerful episode of Battling with Business, hosts Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines officer, and Chris Kitchener, an accomplished product manager, explore the art of saying “no” in leadership and decision-making. Drawing on lessons from military history, they discuss when to hold the line, when to push back, and how to identify the right moments to stop pursuing ineffective strategies.
The conversation begins with Chris sharing a fascinating piece of military history, which leads to a lively discussion on the importance of strategic decision-making and the courage it takes to say no—both in the battlefield and the boardroom. Gareth and Chris reflect on how historical leaders used the power of "no" to inspire focus, maintain clarity, and achieve extraordinary outcomes under pressure.
Listeners are treated to engaging anecdotes and actionable insights as the hosts explore the role of resilience, teamwork, and communication in understanding when to stick to a strategy and when to change course. They discuss how saying no can safeguard resources, protect morale, and set teams up for long-term success.
Whether you’re a leader struggling to balance competing priorities, a history enthusiast curious about the parallels between military strategy and business, or simply someone eager to master the art of assertive decision-making, this episode is packed with practical wisdom. Tune in to discover how saying no can be a powerful leadership tool that drives clarity, focus, and results.

Episode 103 - The Wisdom of the Bullfrog - Leadership Insights from Admiral Bill McRaven

In this episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth explore the multifaceted nature of leadership, focusing on tenacity, trust, and the critical role of organisational culture. Drawing on the insights of Admiral William 'Bill@ McRaven and from their own experiences in the military and business, they share practical advice and thought-provoking perspectives on what it takes to lead effectively.
The episode opens with a discussion on tenacity in leadership, highlighting the importance of resilience, adaptability, and curiosity. Chris and Gareth emphasise that true leadership is not just about experience but also about the willingness to embrace new challenges and perspectives.
Key Themes Explored:
1. Self-Help Insights and Leadership ExamplesChris reflects on lessons from Bear Grylls and Admiral William McRaven, highlighting the simplicity yet difficulty of effective leadership principles. They discuss McRaven's book, "The Wisdom of the Bullfrog," and its actionable insights on integrity, humility, and resilience.
2. Admiral McRaven’s Career and Leadership StyleThe hosts delve into the remarkable career of retired Admiral McRaven, from his Navy SEAL training to his leadership during Operation Neptune Spear. They explore his emphasis on detailed planning, risk assessment, and leading with humility, offering lessons applicable to both military and civilian leadership.
3. Trust and Team DynamicsChris and Gareth discuss the importance of trust in leadership, emphasising that trust is built gradually and must be nurtured carefully. They tackle the tension between setting ambitious goals and maintaining trust, stressing the need for transparency and thoughtful communication.
4. Cultivating Organisational CultureUsing the analogy of a garden, Gareth explains that culture cannot be imposed but must be cultivated with care. The duo explores how leaders can create environments that foster motivation, alignment, and positivity, setting the stage for high-performing teams.
5. Confidence, Humility, and ResilienceThe discussion highlights the balance between confidence and humility in leadership. Chris and Gareth stress the importance of leaders demonstrating resilience and energy, even in challenging times, while remaining authentic and relatable to their teams.
6. Leaving a Legacy and Owning MistakesThe episode concludes with reflections on integrity, legacy, and the value of learning from failures. Gareth and Chris agree that great leadership is about leaving behind something meaningful while inspiring others to do the same.
This episode is packed with practical strategies and timeless insights for leaders at all levels, blending personal experiences with lessons from some of the world’s most respected figures in leadership.

Episode 102 - Influencers #17 Winston Churchill Part 2

In this compelling episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth continue their detailed examination of Winston Churchill, one of history's most iconic and controversial leaders. This second part of the two-episode series delves deeper into Churchill’s leadership during some of the 20th century's most critical moments, offering fresh insights into his life, career, and the lessons modern leaders can draw from his example.
Key Topics Covered:
Winston Churchill's Early Life and Career: Learn how Churchill’s adventurous spirit and resourcefulness paved the way for his rise to prominence, despite his poor academic performance. Chris and Gareth reflect on how unconventional traits, often overlooked by traditional leadership models, were integral to his success.
Churchill’s Strategic Military Leadership: From his role as First Lord of the Admiralty to his efforts in developing tanks and the Royal Naval Air Service, the discussion highlights Churchill’s visionary approach and willingness to innovate, even when faced with controversy.
The Gallipoli Campaign and Its Aftermath: The hosts explore Churchill’s decision to attack Turkey during the First World War, the campaign’s failure, and how he demonstrated resilience by continuing to serve with determination despite the setback.
Leadership in the Second World War: Churchill’s famous speeches, his unwavering pursuit of victory against Nazi tyranny, and his ambitious proposal for a Franco-British Union underscore his strategic thinking and charismatic leadership.
Balancing Leadership Styles: Chris and Gareth discuss how Churchill adapted his leadership style to navigate the cultural shifts between peacetime and wartime leadership, likening him to a modern entrepreneur who thrives on innovation and resilience.
Churchill’s Controversial Decisions: From his response to the Beveridge Report to his approach to area bombing in Germany, the conversation delves into Churchill’s pragmatic yet divisive choices, reflecting on the moral complexity faced by leaders in times of crisis.
Resilience and Persistence: The hosts emphasise Churchill’s motto, "Keep Buggering On," and its relevance for leaders today, drawing parallels with the importance of small, consistent actions in driving progress—a lesson applicable to any business or personal challenge.
Why This Episode Matters for Leaders Today
Chris and Gareth celebrate Churchill’s undeniable achievements while critically examining his flaws, providing a balanced perspective on what made him a leader for the ages. They argue that Churchill’s unconventional path highlights how traditional measures of success often fail to capture the unique qualities that define extraordinary leaders.
This episode is brimming with valuable insights for anyone interested in leadership, history, or personal development. Whether you’re a business leader, a student of history, or simply fascinated by Churchill’s larger-than-life character, you’ll find actionable lessons and inspiration in this discussion.
Don’t Miss This Episode
Tune in to Battling with Business for an in-depth exploration of Winston Churchill’s leadership legacy. Discover how his courage, adaptability, and unconventional approach shaped his success—and what it can teach us about leading in today’s complex and ever-changing world.

Episode 101 - Inflencers #17 Winston Chruchill

In this thought-provoking episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth take an in-depth look at the extraordinary life and leadership of Winston Churchill. From his turbulent early years to his pivotal role as Britain’s wartime Prime Minister, they explore the defining moments, leadership traits, and controversies that shaped one of history’s most iconic leaders.
The Early Years and Unconventional Path to Leadership
Chris and Gareth begin by examining Churchill’s early life, highlighting his privileged upbringing and academic struggles. They discuss how traditional measures of 'success' might have overlooked Churchill’s unique talents — a concept with modern relevance for how we identify and nurture leaders today. His adventurous spirit, combined with experiences as a war correspondent and soldier, helped forge the resourcefulness that would define his later career.
Military Experience and the Making of a Leader
The discussion shifts to Churchill’s military service and the influence it had on his development as a leader. Chris and Gareth debate whether military experience is still relevant for modern leadership development, noting how wartime leadership differs from peacetime governance. They also explore the transition leaders must make between these two mindsets and how Churchill’s career offers valuable lessons for today’s business and political leaders.
The Political Maverick and Master Strategist
Churchill’s controversial political decisions come under scrutiny, including his party switch from Conservative to Liberal, his role as Home Secretary, and his stance on issues such as immigration and asylum. Chris and Gareth explore how Churchill’s conviction-led leadership style often defied conventional wisdom and public opinion. His tenure as First Lord of the Admiralty and his role in modernising the Royal Navy provide a fascinating case study on strategic foresight and preparedness.
Triumphs and Tragedies: The Complex Legacy of a Wartime Leader
The episode takes a reflective turn as Chris and Gareth analyse Churchill’s leadership during the Second World War. They discuss his stirring speeches, his proposal for a Franco-British Union, and his controversial decisions, such as prioritising the war effort over addressing the Bengal famine. The hosts grapple with the moral complexities of leadership, asking if 'the ends justify the means' when confronting existential threats.
Lessons in Resilience, Persistence, and Adaptability
Drawing parallels to modern leadership challenges, Chris and Gareth highlight Churchill’s enduring motto, “Keep Buggering On” (KBO). This principle of relentless perseverance is compared to the Royal Marines’ mantra of “keep paddling” — a reminder of the power of consistent, small efforts to achieve big goals. The episode also reflects on Churchill’s adaptability as a leader, likening him to a ‘start-up founder’ who adjusted his approach depending on the situation, whether it was wartime crisis or post-war reconstruction.
Churchill’s Defeat and Enduring Legacy
Despite his leadership in winning the war, Churchill’s defeat in the 1945 general election illustrates the shifting demands on leaders in peacetime. Chris and Gareth discuss the graciousness with which Churchill accepted his loss, offering insights on humility and adaptability in leadership transitions. His post-war years, his role in shaping the welfare state debate, and his reflections on leadership provide a fitting conclusion to an extraordinary life.
Key Takeaways for Leaders Today
This episode offers listeners rich insights into leadership, strategy, and human complexity. Chris and Gareth challenge listeners to consider:
How do we spot potential leaders who don’t fit the “traditional” mould?
Can conviction-led leadership work in modern organisations?
How can leaders balance moral complexity with the need to make tough decisions?
What can businesses learn from wartime leadership about adaptability and perseverance?
Churchill’s life offers a masterclass in leadership through adversity, persistence in the face of failure, and the courage to pursue one’s convictions. His story reminds us that great leaders are not always conventional, but their impact can be profound. This episode of Battling with Business encourages listeners to reflect on their own leadership journeys and the qualities that matter most in times of change and uncertainty.

Episode 100 - Organisational Maturity, Business Growth Challenges, and Navigating Change

In this compelling episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth delve into the critical topic of organisational maturity and the challenges of business growth and change. They explore the lifecycle of organisations, from agile start-ups to established incumbents, offering insights into how companies can adapt, innovate, and thrive at each stage of development.
Drawing on frameworks like the Greiner Growth Model, Chris and Gareth unpack the unique challenges organisations face as they scale. From the unpredictability of the start-up phase where risk, uncertainty, and luck reign supreme to the structured demands of mature businesses, they highlight the leadership, cultural, and operational shifts required at each stage.
The conversation also introduces the concept of "dual operating models" a strategy to foster genuine innovation while maintaining operational stability. Chris cautions against superficial "innovation theatre," like trendy office décor, which fails to drive meaningful change. Instead, he advocates for creating environments that naturally foster creativity and adaptability.
Listeners will gain insights into the importance of balancing growth with process development, maintaining a competitive advantage, and diversifying business strategies. Chris and Gareth also discuss the parallels between military and business leadership, particularly in managing complexity and leading teams through periods of transformation.
Whether you're a founder, executive, or leader in a growing company, this episode offers practical advice on navigating change, managing organisational growth, and sustaining innovation in a fast-evolving world. Tune in to understand where your organisation sits on the business maturity curve and how to prepare for the next stage.
 

Episode 99 - Do you need to be more like a start-up? The organisational Life Cycle Episode 1

In the latest episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth explore the organisational lifecycle, unpacking the challenges businesses face as they grow from agile start-ups to established, mature organisations. This insightful discussion highlights the need for evolving leadership traits, innovative strategies, and adaptability to thrive in competitive markets.
Key topics include:
The Griner Growth Model: A framework for understanding organisational growth and the transitions businesses must navigate at each stage.
Dual Operating Systems: Balancing creativity and innovation with established processes to drive sustainable growth.
Real-world examples from companies like Adobe, Kodak, and Nokia, illustrating how organisations can overcome stagnation and avoid market disruption.
The conversation also bridges the gap between business and military operations, comparing the adaptability of military strategies to startup cultures. Chris and Gareth reflect on historic innovations, such as Churchill’s wartime initiatives, and the delicate balance between breaking the mould and maintaining operational discipline.
Whether you're a business leader, entrepreneur, or simply curious about how organisations evolve, this episode offers valuable insights into managing growth, staying innovative, and preparing for the future.
Tune in to discover practical strategies for navigating organisational challenges and insights that set the stage for next week’s deep dive into the Griner Growth Model and organisational maturity.