Battling with Business
In this podcast, Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines Officer, and Chris Kitchener, a veteran of the software development world, explore ideas and concepts around teams and teamwork, leaders and leadership, and all things in between. It’s a discussion between a former military commander and a business manager, comparing and contrasting their experiences as they attempt to work out what makes teams, leaders, and businesses tick.
Episodes

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In the Second of two episodes of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth visit the Royal Air Force Tedder Leadership Academy to explore the core themes of leadership, management, and command with: Group Captain Emma Keith and Warrant Officer Mark Willis.
Together, they delve into:
The distinct but interrelated roles of leadership, management, and command in military and civilian contexts.
How the RAF develops and nurtures leaders across all ranks and trades.
The importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in effective leadership.
The evolving challenges of leading in a modern, multi-domain environment.
Reflections on how leadership theory is translated into practical delivery through real-world experience and education.
Insights into how the Tedder Academy is shaping the next generation of RAF leaders and contributing to wider Defence thinking.
What is the role of legacy and handing over command.
This episode provides a fascinating window into the RAF’s leadership philosophy and raises thought-provoking questions about what it takes to lead well under pressure, whether in uniform or in business.

Thursday Jul 03, 2025
Thursday Jul 03, 2025
In the first of two episodes of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth visit the Royal Air Force Tedder Leadership Academy to explore the core themes of leadership, management, and command with: Group Captain Emma Keith and Warrant Officer Mark Willis.
Together, they delve into:
The distinct but interrelated roles of leadership, management, and command in military and civilian contexts.
How the RAF develops and nurtures leaders across all ranks and trades.
The importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in effective leadership.
The evolving challenges of leading in a modern, multi-domain environment.
Reflections on how leadership theory is translated into practical delivery through real-world experience and education.
Insights into how the Tedder Academy is shaping the next generation of RAF leaders and contributing to wider Defence thinking.
What is the role of legacy and handing over command.
This episode provides a fascinating window into the RAF’s leadership philosophy and raises thought-provoking questions about what it takes to lead well under pressure, whether in uniform or in business.

Thursday Jun 26, 2025
Thursday Jun 26, 2025
In this powerful episode of Battling with Business, we sit down with Commander Roly Woods, a retired Royal Navy officer with over 46 years of service, to explore the personal and institutional journey of LGBTQ+ inclusion in the British Armed Forces. Now the LGBT Armed Forces Community Memorial Officer for the charity Fighting with Pride, Roly reflects on his early motivations to join the Navy, leadership experiences, and the dramatic transformation of military culture since the lifting of the ban on LGBT personnel in 2000.
Together, we delve into the challenges LGBTQ+ service members faced under institutional discrimination — from living in secrecy, to emotional isolation, to dishonourable discharges and loss of medals. Roly shares deeply moving personal stories and historic insights into how courageous individuals and strong leadership drove systemic change across the Royal Navy, leading to today’s more inclusive and emotionally intelligent environment.
We also discuss the ongoing efforts of Fighting with Pride, including:
Raising awareness of the Veterans’ Financial Recognition Scheme
Supporting LGBTQ+ veterans in restoring medals and service records
Building community through initiatives like the Snowdonia retreat
Leading the creation of the LGBT Armed Forces Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum
Whether you’re interested in military leadership, organizational change, or the evolving rights of LGBTQ+ veterans, this episode provides an essential perspective on how empathy, courage, and advocacy can reshape even the most traditional institutions.
Listen now to hear about the untold stories behind the UK military’s transformation — and how leaders like Commander Woods continue to inspire change today.

Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Podcast Summary – Influencers: Ruth Bader Ginsburg
In this episode, Chris and Gareth explore the remarkable life and enduring influence of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, examining how her strategic legal work reshaped gender equality in the United States. They discuss her legacy as a pioneering advocate for women’s rights, her resilience in the face of societal and professional obstacles, and her ability to drive lasting change through case law and coalition-building.
Using examples like the 20-mph speed limit in Wales, they reflect on the human tendency to resist change before ultimately embracing it—paralleling the societal shifts Ginsburg helped spark. The conversation also delves into broader themes of feminism, the evolving role of women in the military and workforce, and how curiosity and open dialogue can influence personal growth and collective progress.
From her ground-breaking legal achievements to her surprising cultural impact—including appearances in Deadpool 2 and Lego form—this episode highlights how Ginsburg’s legacy continues to inspire across political, social, and generational lines. Chris and Gareth underscore the power of conversation, respect across divides, and the courage to challenge the status quo in pursuit of a fairer world.

Thursday Jun 12, 2025
Thursday Jun 12, 2025
In this episode, Chris and Gareth reflect on their recent research trip to the Ardennes forest, delving into the leadership, innovation, and operational lessons drawn from key World War II battles, particularly the Battle of the Bulge. Through site visits and historical analysis, they explore the contrasting leadership styles of figures like Adolf Hitler, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Joachim Peiper.
They discuss how Eisenhower’s decentralized “mission command” approach enabled Allied adaptability, while Hitler’s rigid and delusional control hampered German success. The conversation also tackles the controversial figure of Peiper, debating whether effectiveness can excuse unethical leadership, and draws comparisons with other military leaders like Paddy Mayne.
Chris and Gareth also examine differences in German and Allied military innovation, contrasting the over-engineered but unreliable German Tiger tanks with the more pragmatic and adaptable American Sherman. Drawing lessons for modern leadership and business, they warn against betting on singular, complex solutions instead of scalable, flexible systems.
From the surprising utility of the German “Jerry can” to the broader challenges of making decisions under pressure, this episode blends tactical insight with strategic reflection, offering valuable takeaways for leaders in any field.

Thursday Jun 05, 2025
Thursday Jun 05, 2025
In this episode, Chris is joined by author Robert O’Connor to discuss his historical fiction novel 'Jeep Show', a compelling story set during the Battle of the Bulge. Through the eyes of a US Army entertainer turned accidental soldier, we explore the vital role of morale, the hidden power of small, agile teams, and what it means to lead by simply showing up.
Expect insights into:
- Why “being there” can be more powerful than big speeches
- How organizations (military or otherwise) respond when missions change
- What WW2 can teach modern leaders about team resilience
A must-listen for anyone interested in leadership, history, and human behaviour under pressure.

Thursday May 29, 2025
Thursday May 29, 2025
In this episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth explore the evolving concept of power and its critical role in leadership, politics, and strategic decision-making. From the influence of tech giants like Amazon and Facebook to the personal power wielded by figures like Elon Musk, the discussion highlights how power is becoming both more dispersed and more concentrated in today’s complex environment.
They examine how power functions as the currency of politics and the purpose of strategy, and how leaders must skilfully navigate organisational and national-level politics to achieve meaningful outcomes. The conversation also covers internal dynamics—what Chris calls "small politics"—and how these influence team cohesion, decision-making, and long-term success.
Reflecting on recent personal updates, including experiments with drones and team-building weekends, Chris also raises important ethical questions about the responsible use of power. The team delve into the risks of power abuse, the fragility of checks and balances, and the moral responsibility of leadership. Past podcast episodes are referenced to build on these themes, including insights from guests at RAF Cranwell and discussions on historical leaders like Stalin.
🔎 Key topics include:
What is power and how does it influence outcomes?
The intersection of politics, leadership, and strategy
Organisational politics vs national political power
The risks and responsibilities of power in leadership
Why balance, accountability, and ethical reflection matter
Don’t miss this thoughtful exploration of how power shapes everything from boardroom decisions to battlefield outcomes. Subscribe now and join the conversation on navigating influence in a rapidly changing world.

Thursday May 22, 2025
Thursday May 22, 2025
This week’s episode of Battling with Business takes a unique twist, as host Gareth Tennant is interviewed by Dr Lisa Lloyd on her podcast, Beyond the Water Cooler. In a wide-ranging conversation, Gareth shares insights from his military background and explores how these lessons can be applied in the world of business and leadership.
Together, they delve into the critical difference between strategy and tactics, highlighting why understanding both is essential for effective decision-making. Gareth explains the concept of Mission Command, a military philosophy that fosters empowerment, autonomy, and psychological safety—key ingredients for building resilient, high-performing teams.
The discussion also emphasises the value of mastering the basics, allowing individuals and teams to focus their mental bandwidth on handling the unexpected. Gareth shares practical ideas on how to train people to become comfortable with uncertainty, rather than simply reacting to it.
The episode concludes with a compelling story about a coffee shop chain struggling with brand loyalty and customer satisfaction. Through a wargaming exercise, Gareth helped them identify a need for frontline judgement training—empowering staff with guidelines rather than rigid rules. The shift not only improved employee morale but also enhanced the customer experience.
Whether you’re leading in a boardroom or on the battlefield, this episode offers practical leadership lessons on autonomy, adaptability, and decision-making under pressure.
🎧 Listen now to discover how military thinking can transform your business approach.
If you would like to hear more from Lisa Lloyd then check out 'Beyond the watercooler' at the link below.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/beyond-the-water-cooler/id1608058237

Thursday May 15, 2025
Thursday May 15, 2025
In the second part of our Influencers series on Joseph Stalin, hosts Chris and Gareth dive deep into Stalin's rise to power, his manipulation of leadership dynamics, and his long-lasting impact on global politics. Drawing comparisons to modern influencers like Donald Trump and recent events such as tariff wars, they explore how powerful figures can shift the world order.
This episode examines Stalin’s consolidation of power, including the elimination of rivals like Trotsky and Kirov, the Holodomor famine caused by forced collectivization, and the culture of fear that stifled opposition—paralleling toxic leadership in today’s workplaces. The discussion also covers Stalin’s complex relationship with Hitler, the Soviet response to WWII, and the geopolitical fallout of the Potsdam Conference and the Cold War.
Gareth and Chris conclude by reflecting on Stalin’s brutal legacy, including the purges of scientists and doctors, and the ongoing romanticization of his regime despite its horrors. They unpack the psychological and organizational lessons leaders today can learn from Stalin’s example—both in what to emulate and what to avoid.
Listen now for insights into leadership, influence, and how historical patterns continue to shape today’s political and corporate environments.

Thursday May 08, 2025
Thursday May 08, 2025
In this gripping episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth dive deep into the life, leadership, and lasting influence of Joseph Stalin. Framed through the lens of influence, the discussion explores how Stalin’s grip on power extended beyond political control to institutionalised fear, ideological purges, and a legacy that echoes into modern Russia and beyond.
The episode unpacks Stalin’s early life—from his impoverished childhood, physical impairments, and formative education to his calculated persona as a strong, charismatic leader. Chris and Gareth analyse how Stalin's intelligence and interpersonal skills played a key role in his rise through the ranks of the Communist Party, including his first encounters with Lenin and Trotsky.
Listeners will hear a critical breakdown of Stalin’s leadership style: a mix of ideological commitment, brutal pragmatism, and manipulative power plays. The conversation highlights his expansion of the gulag system, his paradoxical stance on protecting the poor, and his personal relationships that reflect both strength and cruelty.
A thought-provoking segment compares Stalin with Adolf Hitler, questioning why Hitler is often viewed as the ultimate symbol of evil in the West, despite Stalin’s higher death toll. The hosts explore public perception, wartime narratives, and the nuanced history of Soviet influence in regions like Ukraine.
This episode sets the stage for a follow-up conversation on Stalin's role during World War II and the enduring relevance of toxic leadership in modern organisations.